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hey guys ryan sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and tonight we're

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going to be reviewing the 1975 film the

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ufo incident about betty and barney hill

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and joining me is none other than andrew

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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from somewhere in the skies and like i

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said earlier we're gonna be talking

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about the betty and barney hill ufo

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incident which surprisingly i haven't

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done a full episode of the show on yet

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so i thought who better to bring in than

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my good good friend here in new york

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city he is a tv writer a screenwriter

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which we're going to talk about at the

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end of this episode and um just an

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all-around amazing amazing person um and

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he is skeptical

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of the ufo question which is what we

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desperately need in this field so it's

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going to be a lot of fun to break down

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this movie tonight and the alien

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abduction phenomenon with him so without

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further ado let's bring him in

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andrew welcome back to somewhere in the

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skies i almost don't appreciate that you

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outed me as being skeptical right at the

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top because i've seen the youtube

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comments about me before

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and i don't want

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people to lose their faith with me right

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you don't have to be nice just uh

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don't talk about my glasses because that

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okay just be nice no dad do it ryan

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let's rewind i'm gonna start the intro

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over no i'm just kidding i'm kidding i'm

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gonna say it hello to everyone in the

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chat what is up cindy we've got um

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nfstr z34 what's up justin uh benji is

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here lisa grant skidwalker dressing

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jason fay welcome guys

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yeah isn't that a good one

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i love that name skinwalker ranch

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dressing i think there you go did i say

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that wrong i did i did yeah yeah yeah

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that makes more sense now ivy haven't

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become death is here

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david blaine man what

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interesting we were just talking about

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magic about we're talking five minutes

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ago yeah yeah yeah the copper fields no

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blaine stuff

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no blades the blank copper this is a

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i can say that officially i'm i'm

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wearing one of the two one of the

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somewhere in the sky's t-shirts which

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public i believe still that is correct

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you can get this handsome

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you're such a good model i also have the

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official somewhere in the sky's monkey

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i just yeah oh i love that that looks

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awesome

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who did that artwork

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so this was a gentleman that did a few

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different ones on my site um his name is

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ben scarborough he's an incredible

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artist um let me see

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he did not do that one that was a

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oh my gosh where does he live i believe

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denmark this is one of the actual ones

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too yeah that was one of my first shirts

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so thank you thanks for of course of

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course for doing that my man

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t-puppet.com everybody in public

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somewhere in the skies

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excited to talk

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about this movie and to hear about the

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case as i told you beforehand you had um

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done your due diligence and sent me all

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this wonderful stuff to read which i did

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read a little bit of um and then i think

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somebody puked

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um and then i had to clean that up and

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actually no i shouldn't say that my kids

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twins yeah we should probably say that

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you were not the one who puked i'm chill

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i was not the one who puked um my wife

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appreciate if i clarified that

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just not there i would love for i think

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something like a spaceship who wouldn't

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just not i just don't i personally do

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not see that happening however

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i always love listening to you because

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you're passionate and you do your

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research and you talk to people and you

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get this as you've always said human

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perspective out of things and um i'm

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excited i just thought like you know

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well instead of

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trying to read through that while i'm uh

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trying to get some kids to eat squash

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which they do eat squash pretty happily

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um i would just wait and listen and

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maybe some of the people who are

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watching as well may be not as familiar

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with the case and they can learn along

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with me and we will keep

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an open mind and all that good stuff

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because based on the movie i have some

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thoughts

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you and me both brothers i have a couple

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thoughts just a couple

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um well

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let's see here now i become death ass

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there's a betty and barney hill movie

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yes so that's what we're discussing

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tonight this was a made for television

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movie actually um it aired on october

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kind of as accurate as you can come when

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adapting certain events for television

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or movies when it comes to ufos a lot of

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people andrew you included um were

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introduced to the fire in the sky movie

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and that is a huge departure from what

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supposedly actually happened to

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travis walton the logger in arizona um

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like none of that actually happened they

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they wanted to make a horror movie they

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other movies that had come out at the

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time about abductions so they kind of

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straight up like went with a

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horror-esque aspect and that's really

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gonna talk about tonight a lot of this

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the transcripts of the hypnosis sessions

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that both betty and barney hill went

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under with their abduction experience so

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like we're literally getting it from the

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mouths of the people who uh claimed that

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this happened and i'm actually gonna

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which are they're they're they're tough

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playing betty and barney you have um

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and uh james earl jones is in this a

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they're incredible and they make a lot

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of stuff really work and also so that i

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was going to tell you this before i

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would just want to get this out of the

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way because i'm too darn excited the

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director richard a cola

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directed a lot of television like a lot

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like and it's always like one episode

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miami vice but he directed the original

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television show as well as the original

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tv show so there's just it's it's and

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then with the writers they went on to

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children of a lesser god i think

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very solid careers some even you know

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that all that was involved just for a tv

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to the credibility of this case uh now

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this is a case that a lot of people in

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the ufo field when it comes to

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abductions myself included um i am a

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skeptic believer and i have interviewed

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hundreds of people who've claimed to

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have been abducted by aliens but i'm not

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going to flat out say that i

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um the people that have spoken to me

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i believe they believe this happened to

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them but did it actually happen in the

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reality as we know it um i couldn't tell

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you but this case andrew is really one

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that i turn people to turn the skeptics

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of two people experiencing it

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a lot of these cases it's one person

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claiming they were abducted kidnapped by

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aliens experimented on brought back and

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um you know there's no one else there to

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really corroborate the story here you

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that couple in just a little bit um

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under different regressions and together

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but first separate um telling very

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stories which is controversial and i'm

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sure we can dive into that as well but

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um you did mention the writers i do want

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to also add that one of the writers on

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the screenplay was a gentleman named

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john g fuller and he actually wrote a

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book he was the first to actually make

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this story go public

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this story really broke and went

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international and betty and barney hill

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became like you know names across the

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world not just in the united states and

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interrupted journey and um he would go

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because he was part of the original

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investigation

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of this case meeting directly with betty

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and barney hill um you know garnering

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relationships with them and um

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really they put their trust in this guy

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to do their story right and the book did

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incredible uh so much so that there

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eventually came this movie not too many

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years later

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how like

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what was the visibility like on this i

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mean i know like obviously it must have

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been pretty strong i've got a movie like

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i'm trying to think of something else to

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compare it to

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that i've had experience talking to you

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about like i think communion was like

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wasn't communion a big seller like that

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book and that's the one with the gray on

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the cover like was it that kind of big

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like is it was it like was this

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something that everybody was kind like

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you know when they say like literally

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everybody or was it more of like a like

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it was you know it was popular yeah to

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an extent um douglas sprague is here by

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the way i just want to say my father

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thanks for joining us dad appreciate you

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being here um hang around dad hang

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around this story gets pretty crazy we

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got winston here from australia as well

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um let's see we got jake here

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awesome guys thank you thank you time is

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it in australia right now good question

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it's got to be sometime in what i don't

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feel like are they ahead of us or behind

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i believe they're i believe it's two

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days from now over there oh my gosh yeah

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you're living in the future

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here grant's here from australia hello

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and yet i'm not getting i'm not getting

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any answers about what time it is in

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australia we've got two australians let

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us know in the chat nobody because

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because look again i'm not i'm not

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googling unless i'm looking up the imdb

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for this movie i am yeah yeah that's

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what it was yeah

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of that's yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah let's

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go with that uh so what was your

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question i i oh my god thanks doug

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sprague you got me all fresh about how

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like how popular was this like how like

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like are we talking like really really

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huge or was it more like

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honestly i know that's a tough question

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this was like the first case

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yeah this was the first case

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like this is what put the gray alien

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um into popular culture um the you know

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the image that whitley strieber has on

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his book that went crazy as well in pop

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culture but these two were kind of the

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first to really bring this story forward

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of alien abduction so when you say first

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case you mean the first

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like recorded american case of alien

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abduction

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yes um to go on record and really go

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public i'm sure there were others um

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deep in the you know 9000 people history

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yeah dude it did

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1961 like even when was roswell 57

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47 47 nothing nothing between 47 and 61

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even so like that got into everybody's

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right i would you know we had there

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would be some people that would lie

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about it

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right so we have the

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throughout the late 50s into the 60s we

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had the um

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what is kind of coined the contact d

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movement you had a lot of these space

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brother stories where people claimed

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that they were visited by aliens who

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would bring them on their ship and bring

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them to you know venus and bring them

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back to earth within seconds or

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um these people would go out to joshua

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tree in the middle of the desert in

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california and like channel in ufos and

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peep and aliens and um

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talk to them but this whole idea of

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aliens

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kidnapping like unwillingly by the

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humans taking people and experimenting

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on them really came forward with this

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betty and barney hill case yeah that's

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fascinating it's fascinating to me

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i would have expected i don't know like

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even

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like in the early 1900s at least like

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when that stuff was like popping up in

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pulp novels and stuff like that like or

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the world like

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even even around war of the worlds time

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nobody ever that's so

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sorry i'm

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that's but this is

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pretty crazy man i know i know well and

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again like

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we got to think you know this is 61 so

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we're living in the

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the a the atomic age and

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let's i guess let's kind of paint the

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picture um yes please and

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welcome we're featuring the new york

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city sirens in this episode as well

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apologies to everyone out there

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61. so we're kind of in you know the

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throes of the cold war um we're on the

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brink of a nuclear threat um

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hopefully that's not what's going on

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outside right now

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uh which is startling because you know

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we're living in an age right now where

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the thought of nuclear threat is bigger

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than it's been in a long time so

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i do wonder are we going to see an

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uptick in ufos and this idea of

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abductions

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uh happening again um we won't get into

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that we won't get into that that's for

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another episode but

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uh this idea of others of others

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invading of others um having more power

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than us of others

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just doing things against our will this

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is something that will play out in the

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betty and barney hill

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case so does that time period have a lot

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to do with this absolutely because i

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would also say that we are very heavy in

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the uh civil rights movement at this

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point

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and speaking of others and people not

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wanting people to get more power than

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they have and things of that nature i

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just think that

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that was also on a lot of people's minds

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at this time and i believe will be very

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relevant to

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this particular and especially again at

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least the way the movie presented it um

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i do think from what i read a little bit

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that i did read it seemed like um

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uh

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that is out there as well but yeah

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yeah

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so

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here we have the actual betty and barney

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hill i did want to before we get into

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the movie uh this is them and this is

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the actual couple and like

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we mentioned civil rights movement this

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was an interracial couple in the early

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60s so as you said you can imagine this

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was

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not easy they also lived in new

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hampshire so i'm sure it was even harder

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um and

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that

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is kind of where we start this story um

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let's kind of i guess we'll start from

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the beginning um with the movie uh let's

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move to

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our next slide here

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um

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so september 1961

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um we kind of start the movie

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where like you mentioned betty played by

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james excuse me barney played by james

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earl jones estelle parsons playing betty

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uh they are with their

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dog in the car and they're going down

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this road looking for something

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uh they

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seem to be obsessed with trying to find

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a certain road that they were on where

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they don't remember something that had

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happened to them and

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constantly they find themselves keep

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going out and out to look for this uh

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this road and and try to bring back

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these memories of something that

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happened to them that they just don't

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seem to remember

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and um that's kind of where our story

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starts and yeah wasn't it like they were

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they were dr they were driving some

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place and all of a sudden they're like

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15 minutes away even though they had

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only just started driving yes so we have

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what was called missing time

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which is a phenomenon that was coined

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later on

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by a alien abduction researcher named

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bud hopkins and this happens with a lot

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of quote unquote abductees they

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they feel like there was time missing

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between something either they black out

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and wake up somewhere else or they're

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just missing chunks of time in their

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life that they cannot account for and

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within those gaps in time uh through

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such things as hypnotherapy and

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in regression

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supposedly

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real memories are brought to the surface

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of what could have possibly happened

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right and um that's kind of what we see

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play out in this movie betty and barney

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end up going to a psychiatrist and a

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gentleman named uh benjamin simon and

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try to retrieve the memories of what

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happened to them but um

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it's rough man i mean this couple is

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just like at each other's throats

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because they both know something

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happened but they don't know what and

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they keep kind of like bickering at one

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another and having these really hostile

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arguments about you know why do we keep

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doing this and we got to move on with

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our lives and and this and that and this

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and that so like all right we got to

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talk to someone and they end up finding

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this doctor and um he puts them both

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under hypnotic regression

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and lo and behold this is where our

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story plays out at betty and barney hill

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which we'll get to but um yeah anything

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you want to cover before we really get

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into the meat of all that i well i think

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um i'm trying to remember when they uh

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showed them having dinner with their

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friends was that before or after the

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psychiatrist

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no

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the movie we should say is a little

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choppy now we don't really know we kind

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of jump between timelines of is this

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from the past is this in the future is

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this the member like what's going on so

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that's a little uh critique i have of

534
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the film is i i wasn't exactly sure how

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the story was playing out at certain

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times um which could also play into the

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fragmented memories that they had if the

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sure

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writers and directors were really going

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down that route but um what you're

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referring to was a dinner party that

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they had at their home

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um and i believe this was after the

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event because we really start to see

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well no i know we have to leave each

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other i knew it was after the event i

547
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just didn't remember if it was after

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they because we're going right to the

549
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psychiatrist i didn't want to like not

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bring that moment up oh gotcha gotcha

551
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yeah yeah yeah cause that's when we get

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the firs some of the first bits of the

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like racial tension going on between

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them right and how he uh

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says something about those white people

556
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,600
or like the the um

557
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,710
gets offended that he he lumped her in

558
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:42,640
with these other people these other

559
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,840
white people um but she is like saying

560
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,400
that she's different i i it was

561
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,280
it was a really interesting i so i am

562
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:53,440
half white and half black my parents are

563
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:54,720
mixed

564
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:55,679
and

565
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,320
i uh have always been kind of fascinated

566
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,039
by mixed uh relationships uh mainly

567
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,440
because i love them uh but i also know

568
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:05,039
that there can be like

569
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,400
there was a time where it wasn't easy

570
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,120
and i think this is a great

571
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,120
i think this movie shows that in a very

572
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,280
effective way again that's a lot of that

573
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,200
is the actors involved as well but i

574
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:16,640
think it's just

575
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:24,390
coincidentally enough at the time

576
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,480
that we were able to handle a little bit

577
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,039
better on in like a public television

578
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,960
kind of way it didn't feel forced it

579
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:34,080
didn't feel

580
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,960
watered down like it felt like a very

581
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,120
real conversation that they were having

582
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,039
and i think she

583
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,799
did that very well i think everybody in

584
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,559
that scene handled that very well but i

585
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:50,720
just um

586
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,600
i just love that like and again like i

587
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,840
do think it there's a little bias on my

588
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,760
part i guess but there's also just this

589
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,120
idea that i do think that's what the

590
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,520
movie is pushing at the end of the day

591
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,720
because i think it's one of the scenes

592
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:04,080
that it um

593
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,919
even slightly illustrates the movie's

594
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,799
bias towards this being a shared

595
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,480
hallucination

596
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:13,919
from the two of them brought on by

597
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,120
possibly brought on by a um

598
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,000
an incident or like a hated i hate

599
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,960
that's a yeah like um a hate crime or

600
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,679
something like that but also or just

601
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,440
the pressure between the two of them

602
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,960
building and building and building and

603
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,440
just kind of exploding at the same time

604
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:32,559
and then maybe some kind of shared

605
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,840
psychosis like randy quaid and his

606
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,470
yeah yeah um not to make light of it but

607
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:42,240
yeah that was a good comparison for

608
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:43,360
sorry

609
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:47,039
no no i want to thank you yeah

610
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:48,559
randy quaid wishes

611
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,600
yeah right i know oh god what is up with

612
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,760
that guy where is he even anymore in a

613
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:55,760
bunker somewhere i think he was gonna

614
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,799
run for office somewhere oh my god

615
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:01,200
please now uh dania thank you so much

616
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,640
for the super sticker i really

617
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,279
appreciate that super chat is open guys

618
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,279
too if you want to help out the show put

619
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:09,200
your comments up here we'll answer your

620
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,120
questions the best we can um yeah

621
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,520
um but yeah well for you before you ask

622
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,640
again yes

623
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:18,320
the shirt i'm wearing is available at

624
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,230
t-public.com

625
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:27,360
somewhere in the skies i love you well

626
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,320
okay

627
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:29,600
so

628
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,200
let's talk about the

629
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,679
they go to their first session hypnosis

630
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:37,520
session um let's see if i have a slide

631
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:40,480
for that try already uh

632
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,840
nothing more reliable than hypnosis

633
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,320
yeah well let's talk about that let's

634
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,840
talk about that so we have benjamin

635
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:49,600
simon played by

636
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,799
uh a gentleman by the name of bernard

637
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:55,520
hughes a very well known stage actor and

638
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,640
film actor as well um

639
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,520
and

640
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,360
does a great job of playing this

641
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,960
psychiatrist who

642
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:05,600
is extremely skeptical

643
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,039
about what is eventually um uncovered in

644
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,600
these but sure no and again not a bad

645
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,600
actor in the bunch like this is all

646
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,279
everything every this

647
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,000
this movie is really well made

648
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,000
to be like it's there's there's a lot of

649
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,000
good stuff going on

650
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:24,159
yeah yeah so

651
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,279
i guess

652
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,360
what we can do is let's talk about the

653
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:28,559
meat of

654
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,520
um

655
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:32,480
barney's first hypnotic regression this

656
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,440
is where

657
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,440
i think james earl jones

658
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,159
really shines in these hypnosis

659
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,799
absolutely there's when he starts to

660
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,559
when he's trying to grab for his gun or

661
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:44,080
where he's just like when he's just like

662
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,710
i'll say exciting because i can't think

663
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,240
of another word but it's also like kind

664
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,679
of frightening and it's just like i

665
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,520
guess titillating maybe

666
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:57,360
i don't know um

667
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,320
but he's a big dude and to see somebody

668
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:03,600
that big

669
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,039
get that scared is scary like there's an

670
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:09,039
extra impact to that you're seeing

671
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,720
somebody

672
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,039
who's afraid who you think could take

673
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,360
out a whole room full full of aliens if

674
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,279
you needed to like it's i don't know

675
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,760
like it's just he's that's a big even at

676
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,520
one point like he was walking around

677
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,279
shirtless and i looked over my wife i

678
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:25,840
was like this man was a beast like he

679
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,600
was a huge i think he was like 39 when

680
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,440
they made this something like that but

681
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:32,720
yeah

682
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,640
so i that those scenes were so effective

683
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,559
and again it didn't feel

684
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:42,720
hokey or weird it didn't feel like it

685
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,760
felt very honest and they've really felt

686
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,120
afraid

687
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,200
during that both of them during both are

688
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,880
like it's it's

689
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,200
i think that's what

690
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:55,760
helps make the movie successful to begin

691
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:58,159
with it's also

692
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,120
um

693
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:01,360
i can see why the case is so alluring as

694
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,549
extraterrestrial level but on a a human

695
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,919
level

696
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,679
like you you feel for these people

697
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,679
because no matter what they're going

698
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,279
through something

699
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,360
yeah you know even if whether it's real

700
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,120
or not there's something there's

701
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,760
something

702
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,679
wrong

703
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,919
and neither of them are

704
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,440
once it's really brought up to the

705
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,200
surface neither of them are really ready

706
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,600
to handle it and it's it's i'm sure

707
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:32,880
everybody's had something like that in

708
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,880
their life right right well yeah and so

709
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,720
i guess with barney

710
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,440
you know the hypnosis hypnosis brings

711
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,200
out um

712
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:46,000
kind of the beginning of the encounter

713
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,600
now they

714
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,600
hear this weird beeping noise they see

715
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,760
these lights over their car

716
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,440
and then they stop

717
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,080
and they see a craft

718
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,919
come down from the sky

719
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,480
and these beings coming out of the

720
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,120
forest towards them and i actually

721
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,679
andrew now like we mentioned a lot of

722
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,240
these hypnosis scenes were actually from

723
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,720
the transcripts from the hypnosis

724
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,039
sessions that were recorded and are

725
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,399
available to the public um and you know

726
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,919
i would highly suggest if you haven't

727
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,760
seen this movie go watch james earl

728
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,480
jones deliver this model yeah and look

729
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,399
i'd say yeah it's and it's it's an hour

730
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:26,640
and a half it's on youtube for free like

731
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,240
uh yeah yeah nothing to lose

732
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,000
it's not boring by any stretch of the

733
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:35,279
imagination like it's it's there's

734
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,080
no

735
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:37,600
have you ripping

736
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,799
it is have you heard the actual tapes i

737
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:41,760
have not

738
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,520
okay i'm gonna play a partial

739
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:47,440
um section from

740
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,039
barney's first uh hypnosis session when

741
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,520
he saw the beings um and i want to get

742
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:54,880
your thoughts on the other side after

743
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,240
you hear this cool all right cool what

744
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,840
did he tell you

745
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,679
stay there

746
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,080
and keep looking

747
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,679
just keep looking and stay there

748
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,559
and just keep looking

749
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,559
just keep looking

750
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,080
could you hear each other oh i gotta

751
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,799
pull these binoculars away from my eyes

752
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,320
because if i don't i'll just keep

753
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,080
standing

754
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,320
would you hear me tell you this oh no

755
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,440
you didn't say it you felt you said it i

756
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:26,640
know

757
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,240
just stay there he's saying to me

758
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,880
all right i'll take my head to this boy

759
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:37,360
pull the doctor away god give me a

760
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:38,399
stress

761
00:29:50,559 --> 00:30:06,070
oh

762
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:09,430
yeah so initial thoughts i mean just

763
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,549
as we had said at the top

764
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,240
um

765
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:21,120
my mind is usually one that tends to go

766
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,830
to me

767
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,200
to see

768
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:29,760
like to hear a um

769
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,480
i have heard that tone i have heard that

770
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,279
terror i have heard that horror before

771
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,480
and it

772
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:39,360
can come when you are

773
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:40,640
um

774
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,760
when somebody does something to you

775
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,600
based

776
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,200
something harmful something hurt like

777
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,679
you know and and and uh that is uh

778
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,840
racially motivated

779
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,200
um in this

780
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:55,440
we're in 1961 they're driving down the

781
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:00,310
if

782
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,760
because my mind would not go to aliens

783
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:08,399
is that somebody probably stopped them

784
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,000
and did something to them that

785
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,000
they mentally could not reckon with and

786
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,440
both

787
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:17,120
came up with it because i do hear that

788
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,799
terror in his voice but i don't um

789
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,279
that doesn't immediately scream alien to

790
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:26,080
me um and again like that's a

791
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,760
if that's the story that they're telling

792
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:28,960
and

793
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,080
it's it's always something where like i

794
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:34,799
am never saying

795
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:37,440
i'm never calling [\h__\h] necessarily

796
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,960
um i think it's just

797
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,200
i i think there is probably a more

798
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,880
likely explanation

799
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,799
and i think it's something that happened

800
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,799
to a lot of people back then especially

801
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:51,600
people who dared um

802
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,630
i get it i understand um

803
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,399
now

804
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,919
let's

805
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,240
i guess well that's a good way to kind

806
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,320
of set up this up let's just play

807
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,279
betty's section um as well now you can

808
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,120
see in this and i i might need another

809
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,799
detail filled in for me too because

810
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,080
that's why because something i was

811
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,760
having a hard time with in the movie

812
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,360
itself was the

813
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,440
flaming car or the car with the flames

814
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,679
on it that was like chasing after them

815
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,480
like

816
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:24,240
what was what was that is that in

817
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:25,760
reference to something that happened or

818
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,840
is that so in the beginning of the film

819
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,200
uh

820
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,600
we get this weird choppy scene which

821
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,000
actually was very when i realized what

822
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,799
it was it was very startling um it's a

823
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,799
group of like greasers it's like

824
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:42,720
straight up greasers yeah uh white

825
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,919
teenagers in their car and they

826
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,080
saw this interracial

827
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,720
couple drive by them and their immediate

828
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,799
reaction is to get in their car and

829
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,679
start

830
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:55,440
chasing after them and giving him [\h__\h]

831
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:59,039
about it um and as this is happening

832
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,080
um

833
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,960
betty is actually having snippets like

834
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:04,480
remembrances

835
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,279
of

836
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,480
aliens

837
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,640
chasing after them right so that was

838
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,519
pretty f and terrifying and also goes

839
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,760
exactly to your point right we don't

840
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,480
know what's up from left uh excuse me up

841
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:19,120
from down left from right right uh white

842
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,399
teenage greaser or alien um right which

843
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:24,000
exactly really plays into what you're

844
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,600
saying yeah like that because that's

845
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,919
what i was thinking i was like well dude

846
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:29,519
and hearing that explanation of it it

847
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,480
almost sounds like oh this

848
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,240
hey somebody is committing a hate crime

849
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,720
against her against her and she's

850
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,840
because of it is remembering this

851
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:41,760
other hate crime that happened which she

852
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,159
has since cloaked in in alien abduction

853
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,399
um i think that's where my mind goes

854
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,519
with that and i i apologize to anybody

855
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,480
who

856
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,000
came here for something a little bit

857
00:34:02,950 --> 00:33:59,590
i mean that's just it's it's just not on

858
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:02,960
analysis this is not a uh fun

859
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,600
story no it's really very traumatic no

860
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,840
matter what happens i mean look at the

861
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,079
look at her face

862
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:13,040
something happened to these two um

863
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,560
i i want to

864
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:17,200
talk a little about before we play her

865
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:18,839
audio

866
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,399
um the aliens that are shown in the

867
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:24,560
movie i thought they were great oh my

868
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,240
god man look at these things they're so

869
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:30,879
vapor wavy and like

870
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,919
simple and i just realized the big weird

871
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:36,159
eyes like those are great and look

872
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:37,280
sometimes

873
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,560
show like they're covered in shadow for

874
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,159
a good chunk of it like i think i

875
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,839
thought that was really effective i

876
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,200
thought they did a great job with the

877
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,480
practical effects i mean no almost no

878
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,040
uh very early computer generated effects

879
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:53,440
in this movie they built that spaceship

880
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:56,720
they built this set i mean that forest

881
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:59,839
looks like it was built in a studio um

882
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,560
which i love look at that fake moon too

883
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,760
it's so

884
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,560
like

885
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,680
simple and um

886
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,440
it reminds me of like a comic book

887
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,520
almost sure sure

888
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,160
yeah it's pretty cool um yeah no i i

889
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,160
know i like i said there's a lot of good

890
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,960
craft that went into this like it's just

891
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,599
um i'm i'm interested to hear more about

892
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,599
the actual case we'll put it that way

893
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,720
like

894
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,079
because yeah

895
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,640
yeah um well let's see here now i am

896
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,160
become death asks what initially

897
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,160
triggered the belief that happened

898
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:35,119
in the first place um again i think it

899
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,560
was in the movie

900
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,880
really shows that hypnosis right the

901
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:41,599
hypnosis and also

902
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:44,720
uh just this feeling this em this void

903
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:48,079
in both of them of they came home

904
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,599
um we should mention this you know they

905
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,520
come home

906
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,200
the night that this event supposedly

907
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:55,359
happened and um

908
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,480
betty's dresses ripped and torn

909
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,280
and barney's shoes are all scuffed up

910
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,000
and um you know they've got like weird

911
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,119
marks on them and um and they just don't

912
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,720
remember they don't remember what

913
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:11,119
happened or or

914
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,720
they didn't want to remember what

915
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:14,880
happened right which again is what we've

916
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,000
been alluding to all night so far um but

917
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,599
yeah that was what kind of initially

918
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,040
triggered them to reach out to a

919
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,400
psychiatrist and then try to uh unravel

920
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,880
these these memories um

921
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:29,520
and then with betty her first

922
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,040
hypnosis is like extremely

923
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,960
yeah oh yeah

924
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,000
vivid and um we see this one image up

925
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:40,880
there at the top of the aliens kind of

926
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,599
doing weird tests on her and stuff and

927
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,920
um you know what let me play let me play

928
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:47,760
the audio andrew because that's kind of

929
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,640
where

930
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,560
i think i got the clip is when she's

931
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,560
talking about what happened once they're

932
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,280
on the craft now they're dragged into

933
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,440
this craft and um

934
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,760
and you know barney goes one way betty

935
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,599
goes the other and they don't even

936
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,520
really know what happens to one another

937
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,320
during this so let's go ahead and play

938
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,280
this small clip of betty's actual

939
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:10,880
abduction

940
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,870
and the examiner

941
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,680
has a long needle

942
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,320
in his head

943
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,720
and i see the needle

944
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,400
and it's

945
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,320
just bigger than any needle i've ever

946
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,920
seen

947
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,079
and

948
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,920
i asked him what he's going to do with

949
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:36,480
it

950
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,960
and he said just a simple destination

951
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,280
and i asked him what

952
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:45,119
and he said he just wants to put it in

953
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:02,550
[Applause]

954
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:05,120
i'll be all right i won't feel it

955
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:15,829
and all the pain goes away

956
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,870
again

957
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,520
like it it's hard to listen to this no

958
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,040
matter what

959
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,040
happened but i mean

960
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:24,560
what do you what do you think what do

961
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:31,190
that she was likely sexually assaulted

962
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,480
and whatever

963
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:34,240
happened to them

964
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:35,440
it's hard to

965
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,270
that they just had a really hard time

966
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:45,359
dealing with it but hi robert i'm glad

967
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,920
you're here um that they had a real um

968
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:52,079
hard time dealing with it even saying

969
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:53,520
that it's something like that happening

970
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:00,950
like

971
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:07,680
herself as to what happened to her

972
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,349
and yeah

973
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:15,040
yeah i mean even the language even with

974
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,560
what the guy is saying to her in the

975
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,160
moment like it won't hurt don't worry

976
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,000
about it like it's not you won't feel

977
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,000
anything like

978
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,280
it just all feels um

979
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:27,760
too familiar unfortunately and i know

980
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,880
that there is a possibility for

981
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,560
the brain to just not

982
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,320
you know to kind of like shut down to

983
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,839
protect you from things like that when

984
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,160
things like that happen to you um yeah

985
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,839
like and i didn't even really pick up on

986
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,520
it as much

987
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,599
or that aspect of it no i think when i

988
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,720
was watching the movie i thought i was

989
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,720
like is this some kind of like

990
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,640
abortion thing did she have maybe have

991
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,800
an abortion and couldn't deal with it

992
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,440
but but then no like hearing especially

993
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:54,960
hearing her there in the recording i'm

994
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,680
like i i think she was

995
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,760
i think something else happened um i

996
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,480
understand now this is this is

997
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,880
what a lot of skeptics turn to

998
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,160
in terms of the alien abduction

999
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:08,560
phenomenon these are memories of

1000
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:12,400
childhood trauma of sexual abuse of um

1001
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:13,280
you know

1002
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,920
anything to put a mask over what

1003
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,400
actually happened and i completely

1004
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,800
understand what you're saying and my

1005
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,599
only not even defense what i want to do

1006
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,880
andrew is because i understand

1007
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,560
everything you're saying and it could

1008
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:28,880
very well have been a situation

1009
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:31,839
like that but there is a lot of evidence

1010
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,680
that has been brought forward about um

1011
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:36,640
you know

1012
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,520
kind of

1013
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,440
what happened and did somebody have the

1014
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,280
book did somebody end up getting their

1015
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,680
hand on the book let's talk about that

1016
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,520
so betty

1017
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,640
says that um these aliens when she was

1018
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,640
aboard the craft that they gave her a

1019
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,640
book that would explain who they are

1020
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,079
where they come from why they're doing

1021
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,160
what they're doing and a lot of this

1022
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:58,079
stuff so interesting they they kind of

1023
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,960
like

1024
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,880
they kind of you know slide it over to

1025
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,560
her and be like all the answers are

1026
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:04,240
right here and then they're immediately

1027
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,109
this is the only way that i can prove

1028
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:13,040
that this happened why are you doing

1029
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,560
this why are you doing this and the

1030
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,640
other big thing was um

1031
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,760
they showed her this star map

1032
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:21,680
of where they are from

1033
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,960
and where we are in relation to them and

1034
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:26,560
i thought this was pretty funny in the

1035
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,359
movie ended the actual um hypnosis

1036
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,599
session she says that the alien said do

1037
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,680
you know where you are on this and she's

1038
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,319
like no not really there are people on

1039
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,240
my planet who know where all the stars

1040
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,240
are and planets and stuff but i'm not

1041
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,079
really one of them so you probably

1042
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,160
picked the wrong person um she's like

1043
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,240
but where are you guys from the aliens

1044
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,000
straight up like if you don't even know

1045
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,680
where the hell you are on this map

1046
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,960
you're not going to understand where the

1047
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,560
hell we're from so we're not going to

1048
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,960
bother with this you're wasting our time

1049
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,880
putting you back in your car sort of

1050
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,520
situation so so i will say that was a

1051
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,359
detail that peaked by it because she

1052
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,920
redrew the star map yes

1053
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,640
um

1054
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,599
so

1055
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,000
and let me get to that actually

1056
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,839
because my question that is like is

1057
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,480
there a specific way

1058
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,960
to draw us like is there a format for a

1059
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:17,280
star map oh this was her drawing

1060
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,560
so her drawing is on the top left after

1061
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,119
hypnosis this is the sketch she came up

1062
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,079
with of what she remembered um and that

1063
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,240
was in 1963

1064
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,040
astronomers in 1969

1065
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:33,599
discovered this star cluster near zeta

1066
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:37,119
reticuli one and two um and just look at

1067
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,079
how

1068
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,000
similar it is yeah and most of those

1069
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,960
stars were not discovered until years

1070
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,520
later um so this is something that a lot

1071
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:48,079
of people turn to and be like huh

1072
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:49,760
like how the hell could she have known

1073
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,880
that look no that's that that's i to me

1074
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,960
that's more like the fun stuff

1075
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,640
because this is there's there's really

1076
00:42:59,290 --> 00:42:58,640
is no like there's no good way to

1077
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,300
explain that

1078
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,960
[Laughter]

1079
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,119
right like how do you and i'm sure there

1080
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:05,200
are skeptics out there who can

1081
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,319
um explain it away somehow like maybe

1082
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,000
she had some

1083
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,880
some knowledge of it beforehand or i was

1084
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,040
about to say it was she perchance uh

1085
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,720
college educated

1086
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,560
i believe so i mean she was an extremely

1087
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,280
intelligent woman so is um barney was

1088
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,720
also extremely intelligent because he

1089
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,240
had like a

1090
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,560
crazy iq from what i recall i'm

1091
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,880
realizing now that i don't really know

1092
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,640
much about their lives before all this

1093
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,160
aside from the fact that they're both

1094
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:33,760
divorced

1095
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,680
a betty grew up in new hampshire her

1096
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:42,000
entire family for century over a century

1097
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:43,280
that accent

1098
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,240
yeah

1099
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,720
it's crazy dude estelle parsons knocks

1100
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,880
it out of the park too um almost to the

1101
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,480
point where you can't understand some of

1102
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,760
it yeah

1103
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,760
reminds me of another person from

1104
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,359
massachusetts who's going to be featured

1105
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,040
in an upcoming episode of somewhere in

1106
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,960
the skies

1107
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,160
might be teasing a little something

1108
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,040
something there um

1109
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:04,720
uh sydney says didn't scientists

1110
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,760
recreate never mind ryan's on it yup we

1111
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,319
we got you cindy um

1112
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,319
finzer says makes a lot of sense good

1113
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,160
points i think um

1114
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,520
talking about what you were saying

1115
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,720
andrew um but yeah so the star map is

1116
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,800
definitely one of the more convincing

1117
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,520
aspects to all this there's a few other

1118
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:25,599
things that um if you want we can jump

1119
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,240
to in terms of yeah yeah yeah yeah no

1120
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,079
cool let's do it i think people should

1121
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,400
check out the movie i think but i also

1122
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:34,000
think like you know

1123
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,760
i think we've gotten into all that we

1124
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,119
can really get it we talked about the

1125
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,800
aliens you know aside from that it's

1126
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,599
just

1127
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,359
kind of rehashings of the case so i

1128
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,760
would love to hear more about the case

1129
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:44,880
itself

1130
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,079
and ask and ask some questions on my own

1131
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,240
well yes small piece of twizzler that

1132
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:55,910
so here we have um the university of new

1133
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,040
hampshire actually set up an exhibit um

1134
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,920
at their school about this incident it

1135
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:05,040
did make you know new hampshire on the

1136
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,560
map it put them on the map when it comes

1137
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,319
to the whole alien thing and what you

1138
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,400
see here is a um

1139
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,760
i still have that up

1140
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,560
i believe so it might still be up there

1141
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:17,520
um that is the actual address if it

1142
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,839
isn't if i am mistaken someone might

1143
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:22,640
correct me it is a replica um the bust

1144
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,839
is of the alien that she supposedly saw

1145
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,599
you've got a few other things in there a

1146
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,160
sketch that she did some letters i'm

1147
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,040
sure that were um about the case uh but

1148
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,400
this is pretty interesting the school

1149
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,000
thought it was credible enough to make

1150
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,440
this um let's see what else they have i

1151
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,079
i think i have a little section on

1152
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,240
that here um this is in the diamond

1153
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,599
library

1154
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,240
and yeah it's got journals essays

1155
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:50,880
newspaper clippings slides films audio

1156
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,079
tapes all relating to this case and um

1157
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,760
did she go to the university of new

1158
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,880
hampshire

1159
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,359
i don't know that i i don't know someone

1160
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,280
in the chat might be able to

1161
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,079
to fill us in on that um but yeah yeah

1162
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,880
i'm not too sure about that um

1163
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,720
but the dress let's let's talk about

1164
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,000
that for a little bit this is another

1165
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,240
piece of evidence apparently after the

1166
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,640
night that this event happened andrew um

1167
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,160
she

1168
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,920
thought you know something's going to

1169
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,440
come of all this i know something

1170
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,760
happened maybe i'll figure it out i'm

1171
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,359
not doing anything with the dress and

1172
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,800
she kind of rolled it up and you see

1173
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,880
this in the movie too rolled it up in a

1174
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,680
ball and put it in the closet and um you

1175
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,280
know didn't really

1176
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,119
bring it forward until people started

1177
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:35,359
asking for evidence of what happened

1178
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:36,560
and she

1179
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,160
brought out the dress and um it had

1180
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,640
when they did like tests on it they

1181
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:45,119
found some sort of substance on the

1182
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,079
dress

1183
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,480
that could not be explained they had

1184
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,640
ohio state i believe look at it they're

1185
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,960
scientists they had police and look into

1186
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,040
it um other scientists as well and there

1187
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,319
was some sort of residue on the dress

1188
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,480
that could not be explained in terms of

1189
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:02,880
a um a earthly

1190
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,319
explanation um and if you don't mind

1191
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,720
last clip i'm gonna show i promise no no

1192
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,440
no no no please okay um while we're on

1193
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,200
evidence i'm gonna show a clip of

1194
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,599
kathleen martin who's actually the niece

1195
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,079
of betty and barney hill um and she's

1196
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,000
kind of taken the reins on the case and

1197
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,280
kept it alive and kept the legacy of her

1198
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,440
her and uncle alive too with this thing

1199
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:27,040
and she's done an investigation on it

1200
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,640
herself but i actually found a clip of

1201
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,040
her talking about the dress with a local

1202
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:33,280
um new station i believe either in the

1203
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,640
uk or australia um but let me go ahead

1204
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,079
and play that i don't know what time it

1205
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,559
is in australia australia listeners

1206
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,559
let us know grant you're in the chat let

1207
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,839
us know yeah people in the chat that's

1208
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,359
going to mean nothing to hear the people

1209
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,760
who hear this as a podcast

1210
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,359
betty's dress was torn in several

1211
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,359
locations there was a two-inch tear in

1212
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,000
the zipper fabric

1213
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,079
the stitching at the top of her dress a

1214
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,920
one inch tear in the thick zipper fabric

1215
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,400
the dress was torn from waist to hemline

1216
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,480
and the hem was deformed down on one

1217
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,960
side it indicated that something had

1218
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,960
happened that betty could not remember

1219
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,200
it had been in fine condition when she

1220
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,520
put it on that day

1221
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,839
she folded the dress up when she arrived

1222
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,920
home and put it in her closet knowing

1223
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,599
that she would have to repair it the

1224
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,440
next time she took the dress out it was

1225
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,680
covered with a pink powdery substance

1226
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:23,920
not the entire dress some of it remained

1227
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,280
blue but the pink powder discolored the

1228
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,680
fiber in the dress and degraded the

1229
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,680
fiber did you have it analyzed what was

1230
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:33,599
it

1231
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,359
at least five scientific laboratories to

1232
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,559
date

1233
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,880
and uh the

1234
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,000
finding is anomalous they have found

1235
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,839
proteins on the dress they have found

1236
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,920
oils on the dress they know that they

1237
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,480
did not belong to betty the dress is

1238
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,640
most deeply saturated with the pink

1239
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,800
substance in the areas where betty

1240
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:02,800
stated that the

1241
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,520
these non-human entities actually is it

1242
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,319
is it is it of this planet they were not

1243
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:10,720
able to determine whether or not this

1244
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,680
was of this planet certainly some of the

1245
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,800
material on that dress was uh there was

1246
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:18,720
dirt there was bacteria there were that

1247
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,839
those sorts of things that would be on

1248
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,319
any uh article of human clothing

1249
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:26,000
particularly after it had been sitting

1250
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,390
so yeah i mean that's kathleen martin

1251
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,000
the niece talking about it they found

1252
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,160
this pink residue that couldn't be

1253
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,839
explained um

1254
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,680
and there also people in the chat are

1255
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,280
mentioning i did not mention this and

1256
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,359
this was not talked about in the movie

1257
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,200
uh there were marks on their car there

1258
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,440
were radiation tests done on the car

1259
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,640
which i don't know they mentioned the

1260
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,400
marks on the car didn't they i didn't

1261
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,559
listen to the back of the car i think or

1262
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,520
uh

1263
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,040
yeah but they mentioned something being

1264
00:50:03,670 --> 00:49:58,240
on the car okay yeah yeah but um but

1265
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,589
i love how subtle the new hampshire

1266
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:07,040
accent is it's almost like a

1267
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,640
massachusetts accent but it only comes

1268
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:09,920
out

1269
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,359
i am i i appreciate that she's still uh

1270
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:15,119
doing that and i also think like the

1271
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,910
physical evidence when it's something

1272
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:23,440
that can be with it that's kind of like

1273
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,079
hard to explain um like you know because

1274
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,160
again rips and tears in a dress that

1275
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,680
could just go along with the things that

1276
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,920
we've mentioned already um once you add

1277
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:34,000
in a an unknown substance on there

1278
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,520
things start to at least get a little

1279
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,040
bit

1280
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,680
muddier um was it a substance on the

1281
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,599
back of a cut of the car or just like

1282
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,280
mark like

1283
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,920
i believe it was like physical markings

1284
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,640
i don't know if any sort of um if it was

1285
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,160
some sort of residue or something like

1286
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,559
that but i do recall and again correct

1287
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,480
me in the chat guys i'm not an expert on

1288
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,640
this case i can fully admit i haven't

1289
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,800
looked into it as much as others um i

1290
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,559
believe they did like geiger counter

1291
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:03,599
tests and they did find trace amounts of

1292
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,400
radiation higher than normal on the back

1293
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,720
of the car she she does that with the

1294
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,359
compass in the movie yes that too yeah

1295
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,510
she has one of my favorite lines which

1296
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,599
is my sister said the compass is

1297
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,359
basically like a geiger meter because

1298
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,200
you know you just kind of you talk about

1299
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,280
those things with your siblings yeah i

1300
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,400
think it was just

1301
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,760
i could be misquoting that but it was

1302
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,119
just kind of so funny to me and i was

1303
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:28,880
like somebody casually told you that a

1304
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,920
compass works like a guy hey okay zombie

1305
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,559
saint look look look okay look we got a

1306
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:36,079
time we got a time we got our time we

1307
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:45,349
wow well no it's 12 it's like noon 12

1308
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,480
months

1309
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,400
it's there we go come on yeah no ryan

1310
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:51,040
australia is three hours or an hour two

1311
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,640
hours ahead what are you doing

1312
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,440
my math is horrible i'm sorry guys it's

1313
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,040
getting late over here on the east coast

1314
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,309
thank you since the guy would not twins

1315
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:04,480
and you know has to be up in the morning

1316
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,440
to work

1317
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,200
what matters right now is grant is my

1318
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,119
favorite australian and i've met hugh

1319
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,359
jackman so

1320
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,760
um i did too i actually met him two

1321
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:15,680
weeks ago i'm working at music man on

1322
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,720
broadway

1323
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,040
he's doing the same thing he uh

1324
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,040
he he hands out lottery tickets to the

1325
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,119
prices at the theater yep

1326
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,520
sunday's now sunday he's amazing what a

1327
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,119
cool dude yeah what a cool he's an

1328
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:29,680
awesome dude um wow that we got off

1329
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,839
track there

1330
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:32,160
um remember where we were i'm just so

1331
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,280
happy to know what time it is in

1332
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,520
australia yep the biggest mystery of

1333
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:37,599
this episode has been solved we're done

1334
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:41,220
good night everybody good night um

1335
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,880
[Music]

1336
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,880
let's um

1337
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,480
i guess andrew because again man i don't

1338
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:48,559
want to keep you too long again oh no no

1339
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:54,630
yeah what questions

1340
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,440
um

1341
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,720
i guess

1342
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,280
so we know that he died

1343
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,520
of a stroke and i she mentions a stroke

1344
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,880
earlier on in the movie but the line

1345
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,720
kind of like went over my head is there

1346
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,480
was there ever an implication that she

1347
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,119
predicted his death

1348
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:11,280
i don't believe so but we do see in the

1349
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:14,640
film uh that barney hill is constantly

1350
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,760
thinking about his mortality yeah again

1351
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,079
is this this has to do with he was

1352
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,640
depressed after this event happened he

1353
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,800
had these thoughts of like a nuclear

1354
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,359
fallout from the cold war happening he

1355
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:28,880
thinks he's gonna have a stroke because

1356
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,839
it runs in the family and um

1357
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,160
he as we find out at the end of the film

1358
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,200
was right he died at the age of 46

1359
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:39,520
unfortunately of us

1360
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,640
um died in 1969 and then i mean look at

1361
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:44,559
this portrait of um

1362
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,400
of betty i mean 85 years old she lived

1363
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,319
too yeah she's just smoking that

1364
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:53,280
cigarette dying of lung cancer um which

1365
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,990
but i mean dude until her dying day she

1366
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,480
stuck to this story which um

1367
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,559
is interesting it's interesting sure but

1368
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,160
yeah yeah

1369
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,760
yeah i don't know i guess i don't have

1370
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,520
as many questions as i thought like the

1371
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:13,359
tapes kind of make me feel one way but i

1372
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,640
also like you know

1373
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,559
people was there anything was there

1374
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:18,800
anybody in particular that publicly like

1375
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,000
came out to repute this anybody um

1376
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,960
oh that time yeah yeah yeah yeah

1377
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:25,760
no

1378
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,280
you have carl sagan famously um tried to

1379
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,240
debunk the star map at one point um i

1380
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,079
believe that's something people would

1381
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,079
have to look up on youtube

1382
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,720
he sort of added an explanation for that

1383
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,680
but also um there was another famous

1384
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,160
skeptic at the time named philip class

1385
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,839
who didn't believe

1386
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,400
um any ufo sightings were legitimate and

1387
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,640
everyone was crazy and kooks and

1388
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,319
and stuff like that so he obviously

1389
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:53,920
would hop to these abduction cases and

1390
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,480
be like see these are the psychopaths or

1391
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,240
these are the crazy people making this

1392
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,640
stuff up right but yeah there was a lot

1393
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,880
of detractors as there should be but one

1394
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:04,480
thing i do want to mention actually i

1395
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,599
totally forgot about this and we got um

1396
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:09,920
a small part of it in the movie uh

1397
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,200
benjamin simon the psychiatrist he meets

1398
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:16,240
this is hilarious he's at like a beach

1399
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,000
with a dude in full uniform

1400
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,640
yeah i loved that scene that was great

1401
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,319
he was like well i need some information

1402
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:26,079
it was good but it was just kind of it

1403
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,599
was you're right it's like i called my

1404
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,440
old buddy from the high-ranking member

1405
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,599
of the air force to just

1406
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:33,359
tell me if this could have possibly been

1407
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,839
a ufo i like i i like seeing the

1408
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,520
psychiatrist like kind of do his due

1409
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,119
diligence i was like he's just kind of

1410
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,520
like you know and you mentioned this

1411
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,599
this film is not out to convince you

1412
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,839
this happened in this relationship they

1413
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:48,240
actually did the opposite

1414
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,839
yeah it was really refreshing because

1415
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,760
there's even even with the way that they

1416
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,200
present it which i do think has a heavy

1417
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,200
bias towards it being some sort of

1418
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:57,599
hallucination or something

1419
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:02,630
they

1420
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,640
you know you you want to believe because

1421
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,400
estelle parsons is a wonderful actor you

1422
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,160
do want to believe this woman like

1423
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:14,160
that's that's as i think it can be the

1424
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,599
hard thing with a lot of this kind of

1425
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,839
stuff you want to believe them

1426
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,240
yeah exactly um as the famous x-files

1427
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,280
poster says yeah yeah yeah um

1428
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,440
so here's a question for you

1429
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,119
we're there because i thought the book

1430
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,960
was an interesting detail but then now

1431
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,319
that i'm thinking about it maybe it's

1432
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,799
not as like unique as i took it as

1433
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,280
um but were there if this was the first

1434
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,200
were there like

1435
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,880
copycats

1436
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,640
were there people who like

1437
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,720
basically kind of said like almost the

1438
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,480
same thing happened to them

1439
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,200
wow what a great question um

1440
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,280
yeah i mean this again this was like the

1441
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,799
og story

1442
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,280
so you start hearing after this happens

1443
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,319
and this comes forward um dozens and

1444
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,040
dozens of people claiming the same thing

1445
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:01,040
we saw the same beings the same thing

1446
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,960
happened we were kidnapped and brought

1447
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:05,200
on the craft so again chicken and eggs

1448
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:06,799
scenario are these people telling the

1449
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,000
truth or um who was inspired by what and

1450
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,599
we should i should mention andrew and um

1451
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,119
you know it's gonna piss a lot of people

1452
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,599
off but betty hill

1453
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:19,680
did have a history of being interested

1454
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,599
in ufos prior to this incident what

1455
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:25,680
what

1456
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,160
oh that blows the whole that

1457
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,160
i had to put you full screen for that of

1458
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,160
course she knows how to draw a friggin

1459
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:36,720
star map then what

1460
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,720
how well i wouldn't go why wouldn't

1461
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,720
i can't draw an f in star map and i've

1462
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,960
been studying universes

1463
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,760
whose fault is that ryan

1464
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,720
my parents doug sprague

1465
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:52,960
didn't sign me up for uh kids today star

1466
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,720
map 101 no work ethic if it was 1961 you

1467
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,480
would have been on star maps all over

1468
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,599
the place

1469
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,680
so we have to acknowledge that she did

1470
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:03,680
have an interest in it

1471
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,559
i would i will say

1472
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:08,319
i would need more detail on that

1473
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,079
otherwise i would strike it for that is

1474
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,280
something i would need to know like look

1475
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:15,359
anybody could be interested in something

1476
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,799
um but is this something that like

1477
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,040
that being said my my threshold is very

1478
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,200
low like if she's read like one book

1479
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,599
everything is disqualified

1480
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:27,200
i understand that

1481
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,799
again like but at the same time i'm just

1482
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,119
playing devil's advocate like you can

1483
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,040
have an interest in this topic and still

1484
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,720
have a legitimate

1485
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,799
experience a lot of people could argue

1486
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,119
that too but absolutely and i would but

1487
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:43,200
it doesn't help it does not help no

1488
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,400
situation

1489
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:46,880
it doesn't and i would almost i would be

1490
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,400
sooner to dismiss it now than i would

1491
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,280
then and i the reason i would say that

1492
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,760
is because now

1493
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,640
i feel like it is more um

1494
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,559
our pop culture has been more saturated

1495
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:02,960
with ufo stories and ufo things like

1496
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:05,599
like it's harder to not

1497
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:07,040
dug

1498
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:08,000
but

1499
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,359
it's harder to not know what a ufo is

1500
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:13,839
at this point um so i would almost like

1501
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:16,240
that's where i would have to be like um

1502
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,119
there you go okay fair robert um that's

1503
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,280
fair robert um also

1504
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,200
sorry andrew i just wanted to say thank

1505
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:26,000
you to mark for the uh super sticker man

1506
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,680
yeah he's a huge supporter of the show

1507
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,280
oh thanks mark

1508
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:31,599
um

1509
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:32,720
so

1510
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,839
oh shoot

1511
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:35,359
i totally lost my train i thought there

1512
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,480
um

1513
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,480
just this i this you know kind of

1514
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,599
preconceived oh yeah yeah yeah like so

1515
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,680
yeah so i think i think um but i think

1516
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:45,599
back then especially for it being them

1517
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:48,079
to be so few and far between it's almost

1518
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,280
like

1519
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,960
oh i'm going to break new ground here

1520
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,280
like we're going to get attention this

1521
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:55,359
way well no because no and i'm sorry i

1522
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,559
don't cause i don't want to say that

1523
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,160
because i do

1524
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,760
think these people went through

1525
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,240
something genuinely horrible i do really

1526
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:03,760
believe that something bad happened to

1527
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,280
them yeah

1528
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,119
i just don't think it was

1529
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:09,680
ufo related but i do

1530
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,720
i do believe that something i it's like

1531
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,240
for what it's worth i do believe they

1532
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,119
went through something horrific totally

1533
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,200
understandable um oh is that on the

1534
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,960
actual highway where it happened yes

1535
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,720
that's where it happened they have this

1536
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,400
marker there that you can

1537
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,680
go see they're very proud of this event

1538
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,640
as many small towns are of ufo events

1539
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:33,040
you know roswell has a festival every

1540
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:34,640
year um

1541
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,280
flatwoods monster in west virginia

1542
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,119
hopkinsville goblins which i think you

1543
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,200
and i talked about at one point they've

1544
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:44,640
got like a little little marker yeah um

1545
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,119
this can make its own these events so

1546
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,280
sure of course they're gonna embrace it

1547
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,440
you know if it brings brings people in

1548
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:54,240
and brings tourists in um all the power

1549
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,200
to them i i think it's it's great to do

1550
01:01:02,630 --> 01:00:58,880
something like that um a lot of people

1551
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,640
think it's exploitation but hey you know

1552
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,400
we live in a capitalist society that's

1553
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,440
all i want to say yeah yeah yeah

1554
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:08,799
yeah

1555
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,160
um let's see grays are not chill someone

1556
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,240
said yeah they are not they are then

1557
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,720
they are scary

1558
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,400
if anything

1559
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,920
i love this stephen says if i get

1560
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,280
abducted when i wake up i'm gonna say

1561
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,960
i'm from detroit give me the keys and no

1562
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:25,040
one gets hurt

1563
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,960
gonna land the ship on ryan's lawn

1564
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,040
steven thanks man good luck finding a

1565
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,599
lawn in new york city yeah yeah queens

1566
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,079
you might have a little bit more luck um

1567
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,640
not as much as you would think but um

1568
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,559
yeah see what is this comment here

1569
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:40,319
skinwalker ranch dressing i really want

1570
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,520
to see a parody of people being

1571
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,720
interviewed and looking crazy for

1572
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,960
regular daily experiences he was outside

1573
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,200
my house touching things insert blurry

1574
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:49,599
photo of guy turning off the gas like

1575
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,000
skin skin walker ranch dressing just as

1576
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,920
one pro tip when you when you get a

1577
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,280
pitch that hot man you keep it to

1578
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,720
yourself you don't put you got it i know

1579
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:58,160
i'm still gonna put that you go make

1580
01:02:02,309 --> 01:01:59,440
that you go make that we're talking to

1581
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:02,319
two writers here our job is to steal

1582
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:08,069
ryan is not speaking for me on that one

1583
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:11,680
oh no no no i'm just kidding it is not

1584
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,480
it's not guys we don't steal let's go we

1585
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,839
borrow and we

1586
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,480
we are inspired by um

1587
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,720
what else do i have here

1588
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:22,559
oh

1589
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,520
i met um kathleen martin out of here

1590
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,680
actually oh yeah i got a little photo of

1591
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:29,839
me here with her and um

1592
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,480
dr lin kitai as well she's another woman

1593
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,400
in the ufo field who um

1594
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:36,319
saw the phoenix lights incident andrew i

1595
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:37,520
don't know if you're familiar with that

1596
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:41,440
case back in 97 or 96 uh one of those

1597
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:44,400
two years 97 i believe um she took some

1598
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,920
crazy video of a huge ufo event that

1599
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,400
happened that thousands of people saw

1600
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,880
but yeah i got to meet kathleen martin

1601
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,280
and talk to her all about her aunt and

1602
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:57,920
uncle in this case and look man she

1603
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,359
believes it she of course sticks by her

1604
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,520
her family and has done a lot of

1605
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:05,520
investigation so all the power to her

1606
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,359
yeah no there's something very noble

1607
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,359
about that i can't like you know

1608
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,039
yeah can't be mad at it

1609
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,680
absolutely absolutely um

1610
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:16,079
i think really the only thing left to

1611
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,280
talk about

1612
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,280
i guess would be um

1613
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:21,359
project blue book the official us air

1614
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,160
force investigation unit did look into

1615
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:26,160
this case

1616
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,440
yeah that's i think that's what that

1617
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:29,359
scene in the movie kind of represented

1618
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:31,839
sure the one where the the air force guy

1619
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:34,640
on the beach where was that um

1620
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,359
talking to his buddy benjamin simon that

1621
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:40,000
yes the air force does look into ufos

1622
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:41,839
and there's a five percent that we can't

1623
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,079
explain and that we need to look further

1624
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:46,240
into and this guy even says we looked at

1625
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:47,599
the betty and barney hill thing and we

1626
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:49,839
can't explain it we can't come up with a

1627
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,440
conventional explanation but what i

1628
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,680
found really interesting this was not in

1629
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:55,760
the movie um

1630
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,079
the us air force did track a ufo

1631
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:03,280
on radar the same night that this event

1632
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:04,400
happened

1633
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:13,510
that's a mic drop i think in terms of

1634
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:15,920
convincing evidence that something

1635
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,480
happened there was at least a ufo there

1636
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:20,240
and we have to remember betty and barney

1637
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:24,000
hill only remembered having seen

1638
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,920
something in the sky

1639
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,920
somebody said and i think somebody said

1640
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:29,599
in the chat they remember the abduction

1641
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,640
but not the ufo or like being on the ufo

1642
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:34,559
but not like seeing it or anything like

1643
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,520
that

1644
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,599
i think it was actually the opposite

1645
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:39,760
they didn't remember seeing the ufo they

1646
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:42,000
did not remember the abductions until

1647
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:43,440
after hypnosis

1648
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,799
sure i'm wrong

1649
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,559
no i said maybe i probably read it wrong

1650
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:48,799
then oh okay yeah i don't know i'm wrong

1651
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:50,319
someone correct us

1652
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:53,920
in the chat but either way either way i

1653
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:56,880
know i i think that's that's that's um

1654
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:57,680
that's

1655
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,280
hmm

1656
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,839
and again you're like

1657
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,160
he'll somehow know about that and then

1658
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,480
they were like oh we can use this to our

1659
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,480
advantage to create this can you know

1660
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:10,880
concoct this story there was a ufo

1661
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:14,480
there's documentation i don't know or

1662
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,039
and allow me to play devil's advocate to

1663
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:20,000
my side a little bit right now

1664
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:23,039
when did the air force uh reveal that

1665
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,839
they

1666
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:25,920
spotted a ufo that night

1667
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,520
i don't know i don't know i apologize

1668
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,280
no it's okay it's okay i would just love

1669
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:34,000
to know when that happened

1670
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:37,839
because if i was a government agency

1671
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:40,240
that was trying to keep people

1672
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,430
corroborate corroborating a story like

1673
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:49,440
that every now and then

1674
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,240
might keep people invested and keep it

1675
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:54,319
because it's like it's big they're not

1676
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:57,359
saying they didn't say anything directly

1677
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:58,640
they don't have to

1678
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,599
claim like responsibility for it or

1679
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,280
anything it's almost like the perfect

1680
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,280
kind of like uh right

1681
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:07,359
tugging along like or like a little poke

1682
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:08,720
just like oh

1683
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:11,039
what a coincidence like they had

1684
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,720
this very part that was publicized and

1685
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,480
we just happened to uh

1686
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:15,920
i don't know i think we may or may not

1687
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:18,240
have just absolutely spotted a ufo like

1688
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:19,760
in that same area that same night that's

1689
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:25,750
hey i mean yeah it could have been

1690
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,799
russian it could have been a russian spy

1691
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:30,799
satellite could have been a top secret

1692
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,160
u.s aircraft and when they heard that

1693
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:36,640
this this interracial couple was going

1694
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,319
around telling people they were

1695
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,640
kidnapped by aliens uh there's your

1696
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:42,160
cover story right there that's gonna

1697
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,200
keep people

1698
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:45,760
thinking all that stuff and meanwhile

1699
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:47,839
you know look this way while we do this

1700
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,760
on the other i i don't know that's

1701
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,359
that's interesting i didn't think about

1702
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:53,839
that it's also uh one of those things

1703
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:00,549
i'm trying to i want to make sure i have

1704
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:03,039
this date

1705
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,589
like how fraught it was to be in an

1706
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:11,760
interracial marriage um

1707
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:12,839
at in

1708
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,480
1961 uh loving the loving v virginia

1709
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,960
case hadn't even happened yet

1710
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,359
like that's not until 1967 so

1711
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:23,119
interracial marriage was still like

1712
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,880
essentially outlawed in a

1713
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:27,520
lot of places so like

1714
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:29,760
it's just not yeah so it's just not uh

1715
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,079
not great not great um yeah

1716
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,400
so good point anyway but but again that

1717
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,880
ufo stuff is mighty that's a mighty big

1718
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:38,160
uh

1719
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:41,680
that's a lot

1720
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,400
yeah

1721
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,880
i again like there is some interesting

1722
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,720
evidence to this case and a lot of

1723
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:48,960
people still turn to it as one of the

1724
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,240
most documented and credible cases um

1725
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,480
but

1726
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:57,359
there's a lot working against it too i

1727
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:58,079
mean

1728
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:00,799
like you said a lot of what this sounds

1729
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:04,400
like was some sort of probably

1730
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:12,150
assault on both of them in some way

1731
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:14,400
shape or form you know being dragged

1732
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,440
around scuff marks on barney's clothes

1733
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,319
rip dress on betty like you know and not

1734
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:22,560
wanting to remember and this and that

1735
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,839
like it makes sense yeah it does i'm not

1736
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:27,520
saying that's what happened i don't want

1737
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:29,359
people to think you know that i'm

1738
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,520
immediately discounting this entire

1739
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,520
event but these are the conversations

1740
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,199
that need to be had when it comes to

1741
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,960
something like this and one i think the

1742
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:39,440
movie actually approached in a very

1743
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:42,719
a very smart way yeah i i really respect

1744
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,319
them for doing that i will say

1745
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:48,159
i've been on the show quite a few times

1746
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,359
um

1747
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,600
i don't think i've we've gotten at least

1748
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,920
with me two nitty-gritty into like

1749
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,799
certain

1750
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:56,560
real cases or anything like that aside

1751
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,480
from things based on movies um here and

1752
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:00,000
there

1753
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,080
this is one of and i've known you for at

1754
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,279
least 10 years at this point now i think

1755
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:07,440
this is one of those cases this is one

1756
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,040
of the first ones where i'm just like

1757
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,040
you know what i don't really have an

1758
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:13,839
answer either way

1759
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:16,960
i know what i believe but i am

1760
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:20,640
uh i don't uh you know i i it's it's

1761
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,120
pretty wild um

1762
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,799
it's something that it's like really

1763
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,719
interesting and especially like the like

1764
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,319
i don't know this is one of those first

1765
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,269
yeah good that's all i could ask of you

1766
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,520
man is to keep an open mind yeah

1767
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:37,600
absolutely i love having you on the show

1768
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,000
because you are willing to hear me out

1769
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,199
and willing to like hear what always see

1770
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:45,359
and experience and

1771
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:48,319
think maybe maybe it's possible but you

1772
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,199
have to look at all the other

1773
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:51,839
explanations first yeah and at the very

1774
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,920
least even if i don't think that

1775
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,760
something was possible i get like a

1776
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,760
there's often a lot of very human

1777
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,000
emotional stories attached to these

1778
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:02,480
things there's a lot that's why why

1779
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,920
one of the many things that i love about

1780
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,440
your perspective and that's the one of

1781
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,360
the reasons that i like your work and

1782
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,159
like your investigations is in your

1783
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,800
investigations into these type of

1784
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,960
uh phenomena is that you look for you're

1785
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,719
going for a human perspective i said it

1786
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,400
the top two like it's just that's that's

1787
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,560
the interesting part to me and that i

1788
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,320
think what i love and what i love about

1789
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,920
this particular story is we still have

1790
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:26,239
that that human aspect

1791
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,990
not more susceptible to like the ufos

1792
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,679
but like it makes me

1793
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,679
like i said i think i put it makes me

1794
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:40,080
want to believe them a little bit more

1795
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,040
yeah

1796
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,920
right so i i completely understand that

1797
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:45,360
again i think

1798
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:47,920
you know this movie did such a good job

1799
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:50,320
of humanizing these characters and i

1800
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:52,960
that really has to do with the actors

1801
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:53,760
they

1802
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,520
these were for a tv movie these were top

1803
01:11:02,630 --> 01:10:59,600
notch performances they did their

1804
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,640
homework they invested all of themselves

1805
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,280
into doing this accurately for the real

1806
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:06,880
betty and barney hill no matter what

1807
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,600
james earl jones or stell parsons think

1808
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:12,480
of the case they went into this movie

1809
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:13,440
saying

1810
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,760
we need to tell the story according to

1811
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,800
what they

1812
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,400
believe in that's your job as an actor

1813
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:20,560
like you are that person you're not you

1814
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,520
know

1815
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,679
you're you're faking it but you're not

1816
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,000
faking it you truly believe this

1817
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,320
happened to you so you gotta go into it

1818
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,400
that way and i just think they did oh

1819
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,280
god such an incredible job i i i have to

1820
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:35,760
really praise the director the writers

1821
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,640
and the actors on this this is this was

1822
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,280
my first time seeing the movie actually

1823
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:43,360
um you know having never watched it

1824
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,239
before as soon as i i thought about it i

1825
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,400
was like i got to get andrew in on this

1826
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,159
i got to see what he thinks of this a is

1827
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:53,120
a movie and b has a credible ufo

1828
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,400
case um

1829
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:56,719
credible being a very flexible word but

1830
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:59,120
no look again i was yeah

1831
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,640
i think this is i would recommend this

1832
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:02,000
movie i would recommend this case i

1833
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,520
think there's there's just a lot there's

1834
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,040
a lot to it that i think is really

1835
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,000
interesting yeah so we only unpacked a

1836
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,560
short amount of it um but listen my man

1837
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:13,199
um we're gonna wrap things up very

1838
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,560
shortly um now i have become death said

1839
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:18,400
andrew if there's a case you really want

1840
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,320
to look into it's the aerial school

1841
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:22,000
incident i'm actually andrew i'm going

1842
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:23,280
to have the director of this new

1843
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,719
documentary coming on the show in a

1844
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:26,719
couple weeks this was a case in rua

1845
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,280
zimbabwe in 94 where 62 school children

1846
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:33,840
witnessed a ufo land on their school

1847
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:34,800
ground

1848
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,760
beings come out and try to communicate

1849
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:39,120
with the children

1850
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,400
get back in their craft disappear um

1851
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:44,560
i've spoken to several of the witnesses

1852
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,080
to this event um as adults they stick to

1853
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,560
this story it's incredible and we're

1854
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,800
finally after like a decade of waiting

1855
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:54,640
for this documentary to come out we're

1856
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,360
finally getting it um in the next week

1857
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,000
or so uh so i would love to like have

1858
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,719
you watch that and come back on and talk

1859
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,040
about that but again like there's so

1860
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,120
many cases out there that people don't

1861
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,040
know about that don't really think about

1862
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,440
the ufo topic that i really just want to

1863
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,840
be like look at this and tell me

1864
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:15,360
something

1865
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:18,960
and i think that's true about the betty

1866
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:21,520
and barney hill case as well sure

1867
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:25,120
yeah um well hey my man before we go i

1868
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:26,480
have to ask you

1869
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,600
as a screen writer is there anything you

1870
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:31,280
can tease about

1871
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:34,320
projects you're working on or um

1872
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,679
maybe a little little movie that someone

1873
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,840
is having made i don't know if that's if

1874
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,080
that's public yet but yeah oh yeah i

1875
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:44,320
think that's yeah uh well um first of

1876
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,679
all if there's anybody watching that's

1877
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,920
in new york city or is in

1878
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:50,480
new york city adjacent um

1879
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:53,520
this wednesday at qed in queens and then

1880
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,120
this friday at duplex in uh

1881
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,199
off the christopher street stop of the

1882
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:01,360
one train um i work with you you're

1883
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,520
getting so hyper local yeah yeah yeah

1884
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,880
like it's just the easy because i'm not

1885
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:06,719
sure what every all the areas always get

1886
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,679
renamed all the time um i uh basically i

1887
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,120
work with this uh theater company called

1888
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,920
random access theater uh that uh and

1889
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,159
they do a series called the drunk texts

1890
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:18,320
which is where we take classical texts

1891
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:21,440
or current texts made classical and we

1892
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:23,920
uh translate and we uh have some drinks

1893
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,760
play some drinking games and do a staged

1894
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:27,760
reading of them and i've

1895
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,640
adapted several movies for them um where

1896
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:32,560
i did um uh

1897
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,560
uh ghostbusters and halloween and

1898
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,800
also a new hope and now empire strikes

1899
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,719
back and new hope and empire strikes

1900
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:43,679
back are go both going up this week uh

1901
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,320
may 4th is at qed in qed in queens

1902
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:50,960
at 11 30 p.m that when i will not be in

1903
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,590
but the friday one if you come to see

1904
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,440
empire strikes back at the duplex i will

1905
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,120
be playing han solo and you do get to

1906
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:01,679
see me in a wig and um

1907
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,880
uh

1908
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:04,000
come on by

1909
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,880
i become death they're fun shows um

1910
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,719
we play drinking games and yeah and i'll

1911
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,480
be playing han solo for the empire

1912
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,800
strikes back one um called the empire

1913
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,400
death protest

1914
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:16,480
um so there's that there's uh i didn't

1915
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:19,360
even tell you about this but there's um

1916
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,719
i know i won't say that one because i'm

1917
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:22,239
actually it's not confirmed yet and then

1918
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,840
we'll talk about it later uh but yeah i

1919
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,520
have a short film that'll hopefully be

1920
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:27,920
dropping this year called pay the tithe

1921
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,800
um which is a horror short

1922
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:32,719
uh that i'm very excited about that i

1923
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:33,760
was we're

1924
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:36,080
heavy into post-production right now i

1925
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,600
got to hear

1926
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:40,000
um some of the first bits of the score

1927
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:41,360
yesterday which was done by a good

1928
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,640
friend of ryan and ice and um

1929
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,719
very very excited i'm

1930
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,920
excited for everybody to see it i'm

1931
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:49,840
excited for uh

1932
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:51,920
yeah just all the work every i mean

1933
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,159
anybody i have had involved on the uh

1934
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,560
short so far has just brought

1935
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,320
um every bit of themselves and every bit

1936
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:00,719
of their like a game to it and just so

1937
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,000
much passion and hard work and

1938
01:16:04,709 --> 01:16:03,920
creativity and it's just it's gonna make

1939
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:04,719
it

1940
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,679
um

1941
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,199
even better than i could have imagined

1942
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,199
so it's very exciting and i wrote and

1943
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:11,120
directed it so it's it's just it's a

1944
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,040
nice little patch project

1945
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,080
amazing i did get to see a rough cut and

1946
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,080
man i'm not just saying it because

1947
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,640
you're my friend and my colleague but um

1948
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,480
i was blown away by what i saw so i

1949
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,199
can't wait to see the final product um

1950
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:26,719
we'll have to get you back on to talk

1951
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,320
about it because absolutely it dives

1952
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:30,080
into some of the realms we cover here on

1953
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,280
the show a little bit of supernatural

1954
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,440
maybe

1955
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,159
personality kind of stuff yeah

1956
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,159
yeah absolutely so we will we'll

1957
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:42,880
definitely talk about that um

1958
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:45,760
yes um now i become death says sounds

1959
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:47,520
interesting being a fan of horror so you

1960
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:50,880
got a new fan hey thanks man if uh you

1961
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:53,440
can follow me on the on the tweeters

1962
01:16:58,780 --> 01:16:56,080
at samford minus sun um right underneath

1963
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:58,790
there also the uh great

1964
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:01,199
[Music]

1965
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:03,679
and uh instagram is half white son of a

1966
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,800
black man

1967
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:06,560
which is the name of a pilot for a while

1968
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,280
so if you wanna i also if anybody ryan

1969
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,280
was on that quite a few times on that

1970
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,199
podcast uh and

1971
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:15,120
several of the times were to come on and

1972
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,880
talk about horror horror movies with me

1973
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,480
so if you want to hear me and ryan i

1974
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,400
think there are there's a you could fill

1975
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:23,360
up a solid 24 hours um if you on the if

1976
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,040
you went and found all the times ryan

1977
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:26,880
and i have talked about movies

1978
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,520
via podcasts so we should we should do a

1979
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,280
megasod where we just put them all

1980
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:33,360
together yeah that'd be pretty fun

1981
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,320
no that was such a fun time so

1982
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:38,640
definitely i suggest people go check out

1983
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:46,149
if you're looking for the movie

1984
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,440
conversations

1985
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,679
yeah it's on it's on stitcher too which

1986
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:51,280
i've always had they haven't and i only

1987
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,640
say that because if you have stitcher

1988
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,239
they have a really good search engine so

1989
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,159
you can uh

1990
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:58,080
they find it easy

1991
01:18:03,590 --> 01:17:58,960
yeah

1992
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,600
glad they're still going strong in the

1993
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:05,600
age of spotify they get they get my

1994
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:07,840
money that's the trigger that's my money

1995
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,280
they're great they're great and they

1996
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:11,520
host our show as well so thank you

1997
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:13,600
that's where i get the show

1998
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:15,520
i'm wearing this stitcher love it love

1999
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,760
it all right my man well hey i'm going

2000
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,760
to let you go i'm going to talk shop a

2001
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,679
little bit with the crowd here but i do

2002
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:23,360
want to thank you for taking time out of

2003
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:26,880
your your crazy hectic life um both as

2004
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:28,960
an artist and as a

2005
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:32,239
father and a husband and um please give

2006
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,600
my family your best and um we will

2007
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:38,000
definitely talk soon doug you got my

2008
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,199
best there

2009
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:41,040
thank you you said give my family your

2010
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:43,040
best which i'm doing if doug is still in

2011
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,080
the chat

2012
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:46,560
or you said my it doesn't matter anyway

2013
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:48,800
buddy i love you so much for family yeah

2014
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,520
yeah thank you that was a dumb what an

2015
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:53,840
awful what an awful note to go out i

2016
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,280
could have said nothing i could have

2017
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:57,360
completed who are you george costanza

2018
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:59,360
jesus

2019
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:00,480
anyway

2020
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:02,320
what a ruin nobody has to follow me i

2021
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:05,120
just ruined everything um i love you bud

2022
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,800
i'll talk to you i love you too my man

2023
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,960
we will talk soon have a great night

2024
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:10,320
thank you everybody for coming and

2025
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:13,679
joining and listening and fun stuff yeah

2026
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:16,239
all right thanks

2027
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,199
ah

2028
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:19,440
there he is guys andrew sanford one of

2029
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,640
my best friends here in new york city um

2030
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:24,800
we've we've seen and done a lot of

2031
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:28,159
things and it's so amazing that we can

2032
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:31,600
still connect um you know in our adult

2033
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,080
lives and do stuff like this the podcast

2034
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:36,880
is just an excuse to catch up with my

2035
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,679
buddies here in new york so thank you to

2036
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,280
andrew for taking time to do that

2037
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,239
tonight we really appreciate it um my

2038
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,040
best to your family douglas frank says

2039
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,520
stephen says thank you for the review

2040
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,080
um thank you thank you guys for checking

2041
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:54,719
this out tonight if you haven't you can

2042
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:58,080
watch the ufo incident from 1975 right

2043
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,280
on youtube just type in the ufo incident

2044
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:03,360
1975 and it should pop up i know that's

2045
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,400
how andrew and i watched it um

2046
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:08,719
and let us know what you think put your

2047
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,440
comments below on this video about what

2048
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:13,120
you thought of the movie what you

2049
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:14,719
thought they did a good job with maybe

2050
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,360
not so much with and uh yeah what you

2051
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:19,280
think of the betty and barney hill case

2052
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:20,719
now i know we touched on some

2053
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,560
controversial aspects tonight and um

2054
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:26,560
you know the idea that maybe this isn't

2055
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:29,199
all it seems to be or appears to be but

2056
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:32,560
hey it's an open case as every ufo case

2057
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,440
usually is so yeah um i'm glad we got to

2058
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,120
dissect that tonight i'm glad that you

2059
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:39,760
guys got to hang out with us and do that

2060
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:42,239
um but before we go

2061
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:44,880
i do want to

2062
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:47,920
talk a little about this this was a

2063
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:50,719
comic book called blue book based on the

2064
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:53,440
project blue book files and other ufo

2065
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,080
incidents and we actually had michael

2066
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:58,400
oyming the artist of this comic book

2067
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,639
about the betty and barney hill incident

2068
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,560
on the show so if you go back into the

2069
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:04,800
archives you should be able to find that

2070
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,880
episode with michael oyman where we talk

2071
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:08,400
all about the betty and barney hill

2072
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,639
incident and what inspired him to make

2073
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,960
this comic book series with a few other

2074
01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:14,960
friends and colleagues of his and you

2075
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:16,840
can find it at

2076
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:19,760
readbluebook.com the entire betty and

2077
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:23,440
barney hill um volume is done and out to

2078
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:26,960
the public so go to readbluebook.com

2079
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:30,000
it's a gorgeous gorgeous comic book and

2080
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,600
i know i just talked to michael they're

2081
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,400
working on the next case um and they

2082
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,400
actually reached out to me to help uh

2083
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:39,120
consult on the next volume so i'm super

2084
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:42,000
excited and honored about that too but

2085
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,440
yeah definitely check out this comic

2086
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,360
they did such an incredible

2087
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,360
job with researching it and really

2088
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:49,120
conveying what betty and barney hill

2089
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:50,880
went through just like the movie the ufo

2090
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,400
incident did as well uh titus and layla

2091
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,400
are listening douglas spregg says those

2092
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:58,960
are my dogs my family dogs back home

2093
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:01,520
please give them my my best dad

2094
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,400
um

2095
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:05,600
mcgray says you kicking in nyc bra yes i

2096
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,639
live in nyc actually um so yeah that's

2097
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,239
how andrew and i met here in new york

2098
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:13,360
city in the theater world and we've just

2099
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:15,040
you know just become such good friends

2100
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:16,880
since then so much that he comes on this

2101
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:19,360
show as a skeptic and takes everyone's

2102
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:22,719
hits so i love him for that as well um

2103
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:26,080
comics are dope i agree i agree i agree

2104
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,360
um

2105
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,120
and

2106
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,920
last but not least we have a new episode

2107
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,320
premiering in just a couple hours guys

2108
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:36,639
of somewhere in the skies it is another

2109
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,320
volume of witness accounts volume 19.

2110
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:43,040
we're almost up to 20 volumes of witness

2111
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:44,639
accounts and if you're not familiar with

2112
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,440
the podcast this is a series that i do

2113
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:50,000
where i'm not even in these episodes

2114
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:51,280
this is you

2115
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:53,679
you listeners and viewers of someone's

2116
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,480
guys come on and tell your ufo stories

2117
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:58,960
and we had a really interesting

2118
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,600
collection of different stories for this

2119
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,000
volume that you're going to hear

2120
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,480
tomorrow it is available right now in

2121
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:09,040
early edition for patreon subscribers so

2122
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:10,719
if you do want to become a patreon

2123
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,080
member you can do that at patreon.com

2124
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:16,560
somewhereskies and with that you get

2125
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:19,440
early editions of the podcast uh you get

2126
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:22,639
bonus content and um a lot of other cool

2127
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,800
stuff we're gonna do patreon hangouts

2128
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:26,800
where we just hop on and talk to one

2129
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:30,159
another all about ufos but yes new

2130
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,320
episode premiering tonight or this

2131
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:34,560
morning wherever you are in the world uh

2132
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,520
of witness accounts we go to outside of

2133
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,199
london to hear an incredible story of a

2134
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,080
ufo we go to the highlands of scotland

2135
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:44,719
to hear several different ufo stories

2136
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:48,000
from a gentleman in scotland um and all

2137
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,679
across the united states as well we're

2138
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:51,199
going to hear stories of

2139
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,080
spherical objects following fighter jets

2140
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:56,560
and um what else we got a really

2141
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:59,440
interesting triangular ufo sighting that

2142
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:01,679
two brothers had in their home and i

2143
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,840
believe it was texas so yeah very

2144
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:06,080
powerful episode i hope you will check

2145
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,320
it out you can get the podcast wherever

2146
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,719
you get podcasts and um speaking of that

2147
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:12,960
please if you haven't rate and review

2148
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,360
the show wherever you get podcasts i

2149
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,840
know spotify now has a rating system so

2150
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:20,000
you can rate it on there apple podcast

2151
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,520
is still the biggest platform to um find

2152
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,000
podcasts and support independent

2153
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,560
podcasters like myself so please go to

2154
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:30,880
apple and give it a five star rating a

2155
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:33,760
review or give it an honest rating and

2156
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:37,520
review um i don't care um but yeah

2157
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,000
please just head on over to one of those

2158
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,239
avenues and do that it truly truly does

2159
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,840
help the show um other than that

2160
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:47,199
let me see

2161
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,719
what we have here in the chat before we

2162
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:50,800
get out of here

2163
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:52,400
um

2164
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,800
steven says they need to turn the splash

2165
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:56,960
page into a poster absolutely he's

2166
01:25:02,229 --> 01:24:58,800
talking about the project blue book

2167
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,239
comic book um oh it's so good so so good

2168
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:04,159
um let's see

2169
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,760
mark says forgot to mention how much i

2170
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,440
like my tic tac attack and foo fighter

2171
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:10,000
shirts i ordered from your store thanks

2172
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,159
mark thanks my man i'll show it one more

2173
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:15,120
time oh we've got right here

2174
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,199
um this incredible mug let me actually

2175
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,120
i'll go full screen

2176
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:22,960
for this

2177
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,360
um the tic tac attack

2178
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:28,000
mug by ben scarborough is in the shop as

2179
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:28,880
well

2180
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:31,360
um i know it's a little blurry

2181
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:33,199
so yeah i got some really really cool

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designs in the store

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i think i just released a new one

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actually maybe a week or so ago so you

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can check that out as well it's a really

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cool um

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blacked out document redacted document

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as many of the ufo documents are that

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come out of the government um so yeah

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you could check that out in the store

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now

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we have sales all the time so um yeah

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you can check those out i think t-shirts

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are usually 35 off when when the sales

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do happen so go to t public.com you can

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check out all our merch and help support

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support the show in style um let's see

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oh mark says and your coffee blend mark

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you're like my publicist man you're

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you're uh you're repping all of my merch

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tonight yes i do have a coffee as well

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the summer in the skies coffee which is

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available through

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blacktrianglecoffee.com so go check them

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out as well amazing roaster out of

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arizona and um yeah let me know what you

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think of the somewhere in the sky's

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coffee

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um let's see robert says great show

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thank you thank you cool merch thank you

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guys thank you for the super chat and

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super stickers tonight as well i really

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appreciate that guys any support for the

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show goes right back in to the show as

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well to keep it going and keep it

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running there's so many unforeseen costs

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that go with doing a free show every

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week um so that's what the patreon and

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our merch store and all that stuff is

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for as well so yeah if you haven't click

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like on this video subscribe do all that

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i'm done talking shop and promoting

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that's all i got so thank you thank you

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for joining us tonight to explore the

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betty and barney hill incident we will

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go into it further in depth in the

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future maybe do a full full episode on

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it and uh finally just cover this case

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in the um the way it truly deserves but

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again thank you to our guest andrew

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sanford for tonight thank you to all of

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you

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for being here and um with that i'm

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gonna give you our little patreon promo

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here and say goodnight so thank you guys

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keep your feet on the ground but never

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stop searching somewhere in the skies

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hey guys ryan here the summer in the

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skies podcast is a labor of love every

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week and with that comes many different

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costs to keep the show running that's

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where our patreon campaign comes in you

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give what you think the show is worth

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there's different rewards available all

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the time including shout outs on the

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show early editions of main episodes

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bonus episodes and content and very soon

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monthly patron hangouts where we sit

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back and chat all things ufos so i hope

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you'll consider becoming a patreon

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